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The Wilkow Majority » Anti American Civil Liberties Union
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BritishConservative 2 years, 6 months ago |
I emailed the ACLU regardning Obama's spying program on US citizens. This was the reply I received - - - - Dear Friend, Thank you for contacting the ACLU. State affiliates of the ACLU handle requests for legal assistance; lobby the state legislatures, and host public forums throughout the year. Your state affiliate is therefore best equipped to handle your concerns. To find the contact information for your ACLU affiliate office; please visit http://www.aclu.org/ and select your state from the "Your Local ACLU" menu at the bottom of the page. Please also consider becoming a member of the ACLU. To join, please visit http://www.aclu.org/contribute/contribute.cfm or call 1-888-567-ACLU. Sincerely, D. Barber Correspondence Manager, American Civil Liberties Union - - - - - Something tells me I am going to get the run around... |
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marnesdad 2 years, 6 months ago |
Really? Because the message tells you to contact someone locally who can be of more assistance.... But, I guess if you go into it with the 'anti-ACLU' mentality, you've already made up your 'mind'. What do you people have against an organization whose sole purpose is to defend the Constitution of the United States? |
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protectliberty 2 years, 6 months ago |
@marnes "selective" defense of the Constitution. |
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marnesdad 2 years, 6 months ago |
@Protect.... Okay, give an example of something they opted to not defend? |
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protectliberty 2 years, 6 months ago |
@marnes Congress' passage of the stimulus bill. Direct violation of the 10th amendment and Article 1 section 8. Tax money from other states being redistributed to San Fran for std research? Not to mention they defend NAMBLA often. Name a case where they defended 2nd Amendment rights.. |
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BritishConservative 2 years, 6 months ago |
@protect - from these quotes from the founders of the ACLU, its pretty clear the reason they set it up - Roger Baldwin "I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal" and "Do steer away from making it look like a socialist enterprise. We want to look like patriots in everything we do. We want to get a good lot of flags, talk a good deal about the Constitution and what our forefathers wanted to make of the country, and to show that we are really the folks that really stand for the spirit of our institutions" - - - - this quote is from the other founder Norman Thomas - - - "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened" |
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protectliberty 2 years, 6 months ago |
@BC you stole my thunder! Lol great points...one of them said something similar to that on their death bed. They defend specific liberties. The 1st amend for example they'll defend freedom of speech but not freedom of religion. They will defend freedom FROM religion. They use the Constittution as false advertising. |
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marnesdad 2 years, 6 months ago |
Congress' passage of the stimulus bill? I believe your interpretation here is in question... These bills happen every day, in Republican and Democratic Congresses, for many decades.... They defend NAMBLA because even those sickos get the protections under the law.... THE ACLU believes that the 2nd Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right, and the Supreme Court agreed for 69 years before DC v Heller. Whether you like it or not, the Constitution did, in fact, leave itself open to interpretation (through no fault of the founders). The fact that you can rightfully disagree with the way other people interpret it means that it's still working.... As for the ACLU, they've defended the 1st amendment rights of anti-abortion protestors, civil rights for minorities, protections against civilians being tried by military courts, and many other questions of civil liberties... |
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protectliberty 2 years, 6 months ago |
@marnes THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT A LIVING DOCUMENT!! Its not perfect, but far from flawed. Why do they ignore the freedom of religion? Whether Congress does these things daily doesn't make it right by the way. 2nd amendment rights are individual rights...so if you own a gun, I have partial ownership of it? What are you talking about? Does that make any sense to you? This group is focused on pulling order out of society and installing equality...they're socialist and use the Constitution as a front. They're a disgrace. Go to their website and see what they're about and ask yourself," why defend only these things if they're a supposed champion of civil liberties" |
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marnesdad 2 years, 6 months ago |
@Protect.... The ACLU does not ignore freedom of religion... Girouard v US, Engel v Vitale, etc... You're right, Congress doing things doesn't make it right, but it sure makes it time consuming, as the ACLU would be able to do nothing else besides handle Congress' actions.... Here's the ACLU position on the 2nd Amendment ""The ACLU agrees with the Supreme Court's long-standing interpretation of the Second Amendment [as set forth in the 1939 case, U.S. v. Miller] that the individual's right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms."" Your opinion that they selectively defend Constitutional rights is your opinion.... nothing more. |
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pickupdapride 2 years, 6 months ago |
marnesdad = pseudo intellectual |
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BritishConservative 2 years, 6 months ago |
@pick = pseudo intellectual is not even the words to describe marnes, just a complete utter idiot is more like it. Hence why I just ignore all posts he makes. |
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marnesdad 2 years, 6 months ago |
@Protect.... 2nd amendment question for you... What is the tipping point of 'arms' for you?... You're allowed to own a handgun according to your interpretation of the Constitution, correct? How about an M60? What about grenades?.... Claymores? A LAW rocket launcher?.... A 155mm Howitzer? A MLRS trac in your front yard?... A small thermonuclear device?... At what point are we infringing on your right to bear arms? |
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pickupdapride 2 years, 6 months ago |
marnesdad = willing to accept an obama administration and can't prove me wrong |
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crossofcrimson 2 years, 6 months ago |
"Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected." It's interesting that THE PEOPLE's right to bear arms refers to only to a select group of government employees in the second ammendment but to all American citizens when the phrase is used in other ammendments. What exactly was a "militia" at the time of the founders' writings? Who were they fighting? Why would the founders place a stipulation in the Bill of Rights (which protects individual citizens from government prowess) that says, according to that loose interpretation, that police officers and infantrymen alone somehow have a right to firearms and the government (their employer) isn't allowed to take away? You're right...in context, that all makes perfect sense. |
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protectliberty 2 years, 6 months ago |
Wwhere were they when CEO's pay was being dictated by Congress an the takeover's of GM ...surely those were limited in number. How about the twn hall participants? Why are they against freedom of religion? Is that not an important civil liberty? They defend an atheist to quell the recitation of the pledge of allegiance ...freedom of speech my @$$! Why have a Constitution if its always open to interpretation? |
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marnesdad 2 years, 6 months ago |
@Protect... you're blabbering now,.... CEO's 'pay' isn't dictated by Congress...and GM wasn't 'taken over'.... However, your insistence that their actions routinely violate the Constitution HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.... What about the town hall participants? They're NOT against freedom of religion... It IS an important civil liberty.... "Why have a Constitution if its always open to interpretation"??---Because you have nothing better... |
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marnesdad 2 years, 6 months ago |
@Cross.... You disagree with the ACLU's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.... noted. |
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crossofcrimson 2 years, 6 months ago |
I disagree with the ACLU's interpretation of alot of things...I can forward you a list. |
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protectliberty 2 years, 6 months ago |
@marnes...I haven't seen a more pathetic reply to a post than what you just posted...when you graduate elementary school, make sure you find a high school that teaches Constitutional government... |
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